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Costas and everybody on the list,

Mr. Tamblyn says below, after my hint at scaling down, that you have to be an idiot not to see that he is going to try to insult me until I stop posting in a manner he doesnt like. This is a form of coercion or negative reinforcement applied by Tamblyn if he is not pleased.

In case it was not obvious for some reason, Duh (below), he has just told us all that that is what he is all about. Why is this behavior acceptable on this list? It is perfectly obvious. Even without him telling you, Tamblyn says you have to be an idiot not to see what he is doing. Has he made so many friendly associations that he can get away with this?

It is said that when the US is long gone, it will be remembered for Jazz music, baseball, and the US Constitution. The Constitution was the first organization of government not to rely on a king or dictator. Instead of a king, it relied on a government of divided powers and public discourse of ideas, so that in a market place of ideas, in all the give and take, the better reasoning would rise to the surface. The less coercion you have, the more ideas you get. Extremists on the ends of the spectrum like coercion to silence the opposition, because their extreme ideas cannot survive in open discussion and analysis. (That is why there have been so many dictatorships of the Left and the Right.) Open discussion of the issues is the larger issue for me. Having beliefs concurrent with Mr. Tamblyn, or anybody else, is not what the Constitution had in mind. It is not contemplated in the First Amendment. Reasoned analysis of the issues is their purpose.

It would be easy for me to return to the original subject of the thread, Harkins comments.

Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: William Tamblyn [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 5:21 AM
To:
Subject: [Longwaves Forum]Re:Sen. Tom Harkin attacks Cheney as a coward willing to spill the blood of others

Actually a graceful exit from Mr. Tamblyn is easy as could be. Even a total idiot should have been able to figure it out. All Mr. Forburger needs to do is stop his pseudo-intellectual, sophomoric, Limbaughesque nonsense and that will be that, end of game.

Duh!

(posted at 8:44 AM EDT, Friday, 27 August)

andean <> wrote:

Mr. Tamblyn canâ¬"t take a hint.Â He has already announced, in a â¬Sfriendlyâ¬ way, that the â¬Snonsenseâ¬ will be â¬Sendless.â¬Â Do you see any â¬STerrierâ¬ or â¬Sbrightnessâ¬ in that?Â Whatâ¬"s that word (concept) again, where you unconsciously put your own negative characteristics on your opponent to get even?Â I bet you forgot it already.

A graceful exit from this Tamblyn is no easy task.

DeanÂ

-----Original Message-----
From: William Tamblyn [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:21 PM
To:
Subject: [Longwaves Forum]Re:Sen. Tom Harkin attacks Cheney as a coward willing to spill the blood of others

Mike,

I would suspect Forburger had some Terrier in him . ... . if he were a bit brighter. {g}

Bill

andean <> wrote:

Yes.Ã If one is Ã¢â¬ÅdumbfoundedÃ¢â¬Â and has no reasoning, no response is one (of many) acceptable course of action.Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Ã Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: William Tamblyn [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 5:11 AM
To:
Subject: [Longwaves Forum]Re:Sen. Tom Harkin attacks Cheney as a coward willing to spill the blood of others

Yeah, there's a lot of that going around, Mike.

Bill

Mike Shea <> wrote:

Bill:

Not interested in discourse with Dean.............I was just dumbfounded by his response.

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: William Tamblyn

To:

Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:55 PM

Subject: [Longwaves Forum]Re:Sen. Tom Harkin attacks Cheney as a coward willing to spill the blood of others

Everything, Mike, as you will soon discover if you attempt to engage him in rational discourse.

Bill

Mike Shea <> wrote:

Dean:

Seems to me the facts of this article speak for themselves. What is it you don't understand?

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: andean

To:

Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 10:10 AM

Subject: [Longwaves Forum]Re:Sen. Tom Harkin attacks Cheney as a coward willing to spill the blood of others

Once again, sadly, Mr. Tamblyn offers no reasoning worth mention. Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: William Tamblyn [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 6:06 AM
To:
Subject: [Longwaves Forum]Re: Sen. Tom Harkin attacks Cheney as a coward willing to spill the blood of others

10) Dean Forburger should not attempt to draw inferences. LOLOL!

andean <> wrote:

What is the implication? 1) Cheney should advocate weakness? 2) Cheney should resign? 3) Only those who served in the military can be President? 4) Harkin was grossly negligent in not campaigning for Bush 43, a veteran Navy pilot, against draft dodger Clinton (who subsequently waged bombing campaigns without seeking congressional approval)? 5) Kerry should be elected because he was awarded 3 Purple Hearts and other decorations for valor for his action in 4 months of combat duty in the Navy ÃÆÃÂ¢Ãâ¬aÃ¢â¬aÂ¬Ãâ¬aÃ&â¬Sswift boats?ÃÆÃÂ¢Ãâ¬aÃ¢â¬aÂ¬Ãâ¬aÃÂ 6) Bush is not qualified to be Commander in Chief because he only learned to fly a fighter jet in the National Guard, seeing no combat duty? 7) The passive constituency, chiefly Democrats, is not qualified to make war decisions because they have not served in the mil itary and will not? 8) The anti war constituenc y cann ot be trusted to create a war s trategy? 9) What?? Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: William Tamblyn [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:45 AM
To:
Subject: [Longwaves Forum]Sen. Tom Harkin attacks Cheney as a coward willing to spill the blood of others

From today's Progress Report:

IRAQ ÃÆÃÂ¢Ãâ¬aÃ¢â¬aÂ¬Ãâ¬aÃ¢â¬Å VICE PRESIDENT 'COWARD': With Vice President Cheney continuing his attacks on his opponent's commitment to U.S. national security, some are fighting back by pointing out that Cheney's credentials in standing up for his own country are suspect. Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA), a Navy pilot during Vietnam, sai d "When I hea r [attacks] coming from Dick Cheney, who was a coward, who would not serve during the Vietnam War, it makes my blood boil. Those of us who served and those of us who went in t he military don't like it when someone like a Dick Cheney comes out and he wants to be tough. Yeah, he'll be tough. He'll be tough with somebody else's blood, somebody else's kids. But not when it was his turn to go." Cheney received f ive deferments to avoid serving in Vietnam. Cheney's first child, Elizabeth, was born nine months and two days after childless men were deemed eligible for the draft, allowing Cheney to receive a special deferment and avoid service. Meanwhile, President Bush has refused to release documents proving his whereabouts when he was supposed to be serving in the Texas Air National Guard.

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